Which Sedans Will Survive?

"Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind) 12/16/2018 at 21:12 • Filed to: Questions

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Im sure that no one would have guessed that the Mirage G4 would be the sole sedan survivor for Mitsubishi . Jeep, GMC, Ram, and Land Rover offer zero sedans and couldn’t be happier .   Ford and Lincoln turn into single sedan brands they offer any at all. If the CT4 doesn’t make to production   then Chevy, Buick, and Cadillac may be zero to o ne sedan brands as well. Subaru and Mazda could survive off one sedan . D odge is a one sedan brand and Chrysler will probably be zero sedans. No one is asking Fiat or Mini for a trunk.

But in complete contrast , Kia essentially offers 5 sedans plus a liftback and currently only 2 of their “utility vehicles” offer AWD. Then Tesla has a sedan with trunks at both ends! So which   4-doors will be around in 3 years and who w ill be providing them? Will any be turned into liftbacks?

Chuckles > Wobbles the Mind 12/16/2018 at 21:19

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Is Chrysler phasing out the 300? It seems to be decently popular.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Wobbles the Mind 12/16/2018 at 21:24

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Jeep, GMC, Ram, and Land Rover have never sold a sedan in their product range ever.

Gerry197 > Wobbles the Mind 12/16/2018 at 21:24

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Whatever is popular for fleets, entry level models and Japanese/Korean sedans of various sizes.

I think most sedans will survive, they will just be a smaller piece of the pie.  With how fuel efficient crossovers have become, I don’t expect this trend to go away anytime soon.   

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Wobbles the Mind 12/16/2018 at 21:26

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I see the accord nnd camry hanging around for a while

bhtooefr > Chuckles 12/16/2018 at 21:26

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I feel like Chrysler is phasing out Chrysler . (I wonder what that means for the Pacifica, rebadge it as a Dodge I guess? Because the other options are to rebadge it as a Fiat, or as an Alfa Romeo ...)

wafflesnfalafel > Wobbles the Mind 12/16/2018 at 21:34

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yeah, just consolidated - when gas prices go  back up cars will be more popular again

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Wobbles the Mind 12/16/2018 at 21:35

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What defines sedan? 3 box designs still seem to be very popular.

Chariotoflove > bhtooefr 12/16/2018 at 21:37

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I feel like FCA has pretty much given up on what was a half hearted effort to make Chrysler into the luxury step up from Dodge (a la Lincoln to Ford). I’ll miss the 300. The Pacifica would survive as a Dodge. 

gettingoldercarguy > Wobbles the Mind 12/16/2018 at 21:52

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When manufacturers start making more cars that look like these.

Steve in Manhattan > Wobbles the Mind 12/16/2018 at 21:54

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Saw a Ghibli today on Amsterdam Ave ... hope that sedan doesn’t survive. Surprised it was running ...

facw > Chuckles 12/16/2018 at 21:55

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The rumor is that FCA is preparing to update the Charger and Challenger, but doesn’t plan to do a new 300, and it seems unlikely they’ll keep making the old platform just for the 300.

jimz > Wobbles the Mind 12/16/2018 at 21:58

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Kia essentially offers 5 sedans plus a liftback

Rio: 1,300-2,000 sales/mo. total loser.

Forte: 9,000 sales/mo. might be break-even at best.

Optima: 9,000 sales/mo. might be break-even at best.

Cadenza: ~500 sales/mo. Loser.

K900: 30 sales/mo. Loser.

Stinger: 1,300 sales/mo. probably a loser.

don’t confuse a few companies’ willingness to throw good money after bad with a plan for success.

slipperysallylikespenguins > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 12/16/2018 at 22:30

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I guess the Italians might agree with you.

shop-teacher > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 12/16/2018 at 22:31

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I have referred to my crew cab short bed Sierra as a sedan on numerous occasions.

50ford500 > wafflesnfalafel 12/16/2018 at 22:41

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If we were having this discussion 10 years ago I might wholeheartedly agree with you but nowadays there are so many crossovers that get mileage similar to and even in some cases better than  what cars back then got that I have a hard time saying with 100% certainty that would be the case.

Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!! > Wobbles the Mind 12/16/2018 at 22:43

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Based on the weird variations that don’t seem to sell they come up with, I can’t imagine BMW ever killing sedans. If they can justify the number of sales those X6 monstrosities get then surely a sedan is a sure thing. 

Maxima Speed > slipperysallylikespenguins 12/16/2018 at 23:15

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Why did I instantly fall in love?

slipperysallylikespenguins > Maxima Speed 12/17/2018 at 00:03

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because its fantastic

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Wobbles the Mind 12/17/2018 at 00:20

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The simple answer is yes.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > Wobbles the Mind 12/17/2018 at 05:47

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The Civic is still insanely popular, especially among younger folks, same with the Fit . The Accord might stick around, maybe not.

I’ve seen more iA cars than Corollas these days. Still plenty of Camrys, probably because they’re cheap. Fair amount of IS sedans. Say bye to the Avalon, GS, and maybe LS.

BMW and Mercedes will keep making sedans if only as a niche product. I’d expect to see either the 3 or 4 series and 7 series survive; same for the C class and S class. The others may perish. VW will keep making the Jetta (again, popular cause it’s cheap), small Golf likely to die off after the next update but keep the GTI and wagons, say bye to the five hundred year old Passat.

wkiernan > Wobbles the Mind 12/17/2018 at 11:12

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HammerheadFistpunch’s comment made me think that one reason sedans might be facing slumping sales in the U.S.A. could be the fact that a sedan like, say, the Ford Focus is subject to strict mileage requirements, while a tall- car like, say, a Chevrolet Equinox, is not, since the Equinox is laughably labeled as a “light truck,” while the Focus is not. Manufacturers don’t want to sell a sedan when they can sell a tall-car labeled as a “light truck” or an “SUV.”

Ultimately it’s buyers who choose whether they buy a sedan or a tall-car, but if the manufacturers advertise tall-cars and don’t advertise sedans, and if the sales men have an incentive to push buyers toward tall-cars and away from sedans, and if buyers go to dealerships to see that most of the sedans have been discontinued anyway, you’d couldn’t be surprised to find more buyers leaning toward tall-cars.

Both because I find tall-cars aesthetically dista steful and because tall-cars do burn more gasoline and produce more carbon dioxide than comparable sedans, I wish the U.S. gover nment would stop encouraging tall-car manufacture over sedan manufacture with their policy allowing “light trucks” that aren’t trucks to meet weaker mileage requirements. The proper solution would be for the government to recategorize tall-cars as cars, not as “light trucks.” No body-on-frame? not a “truck.”

punkgoose17 > Wobbles the Mind 12/17/2018 at 12:31

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I think the compact sedan segment will continue.

The Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Mazda 3, Nissan Sentra, Hyundai Elantra, and Kia Forte are safe.

For Midsize The Toyota Camry and Nissan Altima will stick around.

The Dodge Charger will stick around.

BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus will keep making sedans.

Kar Wai Wong > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 12/17/2018 at 16:14

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